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z CT: Situace konstelací v jiných zemích.
CT
neboli "Constellation Talk" je internetové forum v angličtině
zabývající se systemickými konstelacemi. Popis a odkaz naleznete
zde. Před
nedávnem se na CT objevily dva příspěvky, popisující situaci konstelací
v jiných zemích - konkrétně v Holandsku a Německu. Doufáme, že přibudou
další články z ostatních zemí, pokud ano, umístíme je zde. (Pokud
by někdo oba příspěvky chtěl přeložit do češtiny, ČISK mu/ji bude vděčný)
In
ConstellationTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Barbara Eggenberger" <beggenberger@...>
wrote:
Could
anyone comment on how well known and how accepted constellation work
is in say, Germany? For instance, is the work known by everyone? Is
it a common term? Is it popular? Has it reached its tipping point? Do
people seek it out or is it a fairly unusual idea? Do workshops in Germany
fill up? Are there waiting lists? I keep hearing how different the US
is in the lack of response to this work and I am wondering what the
actual difference is for a country that is at the full saturation point.
What percentage of Germans actually use this work. Is it possible that
setting constellations would be considered as normal and important as
getting our teeth cleaned or having medical checkups?
Love
CT and this work,
Barbara Eggenberger
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Wilfried
Nelles from Germany wrote:
Hi Barbara,
I'll try to answer:
Is
the work known by everyone?
There is one book which has sold about 500.000 copies, apart from Hellinger's
and other's books. So I guess about 5 Mio out of 80 Mio have heard about
it. But if you look into the higher educated people in the age of 25-50
in the middle class it might be known by almost 50 percent.
Is
it a common term? Is it popular?
Recently it was used in a very popular TV-Series. They made an "Investigation
Constellation" in order to find out who is the murderer in a family,
and by the way explained the process of constellation work.
Has
it reached its tipping point?
yes, about 5 years ago. But it is quite stable now on a high level.
Do
people seek it out or is it a fairly unusual idea?
Talking about myself: People find me, I don't make any effort to get
them into my courses, don't have any advertisement apart from my website.
Do
workshops in Germany fill up?
For some yes, for others not. There are very different kinds of courses,
from evening courses to one day courses to 4 day courses. It depends
from how professional the facilitator works. As far as I see you may
find in every town with more then 50.000 inhabitants (and in many smaller
ones) more then one workshop at every weekend.
There
are about 1000 - 2000 people offering FC, but only 20 percent of these
are really professionals, and among the professionals only about 10
percent are fulltime constellators who earn their living only by FC.
Are
there waiting lists?
Only a few facilitators have waiting lists.
Is
it possible that setting constellations would be considered as normal...?
It depends from the milieu. The crucial point is to get it accepted
by the institutions in the social and educational field which is very
difficult because Hellingers name is a red cloth there. But it is growing.
Wilfried
Nelles, Germany
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Otteline
Lamet, Nederland, wrote:
Hello Barbara,
Also
a reply from the Netherlands.
We
have around 16 milj. inhabitants. I cannot not say anything about percentages,
but the work was introduced here around 1997. Since then it has been
booming. After a couple of years already you could do a constellation
at every streetcorner. Good ones and bad ones, as usually.
Many
books have been written by Dutch autors and many German and English
books haven translated in Dutch. For a couple of years now the 'hype'
is over. F.c. (read: Bert Hellinger) disappeared from the magazines
en T.V. The professional people still do their work (with enough people),
many constellators have disappeared again. I agree with Jan and Wilfried
that the most important 'sign' is of course: has f.c. found its own
place in the therapeutic, social and educational fields?Unfortunately
I do not think so. I know something about the therapeutic field in the
Netherlands and I see that this work is widely known, but not at all
acknowledged. Of course the method of f.c. is a big threat for the excisting
therapeutic mainstream. Many people see and know the effect of the work,
but do not want to be identified with it. It is degraded to the realm
of 'alternative and acadabra'.
So
this work did find a place in many 'alternative' schools for therapeutic
education, but unfortunately not in the official therapeutic schools.
After all we still live in a world where the main focus is on the 'official'
scientific viewpoint and people sitting in places of power are not so
willing to make room for other viewpoints.
At
the moment it depends very much on the individual person whether f.c.
is used in the clinics and institutions for healthcare or not and if
there is allowence for them to use it. Luckily many psychologists and
psychiatrists who work in private practices have more freedom.So in
spite of a lot of effort some people took in integrating this work in
the local institutions, it still is and stays a very slow process. I
do hope that there are countries where this is different, but I am afraid
not.
All
the best for everyone for the New Year!
Warmly,
Otteline Lamet
Praktijk
voor Gestalt en Familieopstellingen
Otteline Lamet en Peter van Zuilekom
Waldecklaan 34, 1213 XX Hilversum, Nederland
035-6855816, info@lametvanzet.nl, http://www.lametvanzet.nl
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Daniel
MacLean from Bolivia wrote:
Hi all,
In Bolivia it was just two of us doing constellations having had formal
training in Buenos Aires. Then there appeared some constellators that
just attended some workshops. The movement was getting strong but then
it started to fade. I myself am leaving it behind and exploring other
paths.
I think this work:
- It started too fast, and as the I Ching says, that which takes too
little time to grow, soon vanishes.
- It is considered new age or any kind of simile.
- It's not easy or prone to be systematized.
- it's not easy or prone to be taught(although it can be learned)
-- It's too shamanic and intuitive, it depends almost nothing on the
therapist's knowledge or curricula but on what Castaneda would say "personal
power" Shamans are born not formed.
**** I am using the word shaman or shamanisitc in a very general way****
-- Those who are making the greater efforts to systematize(finding the
grammar and all that nonsense) the work are in the branch of business,
whose needs and demands are FAR from those of dealing with Soul and
Other Forces.
- FC being so, legitimately close to shamanism and religion attracted
practitioners(too many) with what Jung would call a God Complex. Ah!
it is such a glamorous work, isn't it?
- We live in times when this kind of movements are born and die quickly.
Others are brought to light using the recovered "organs" of
diseased therapies and schools. Hellinger himself recovered so many
techniques form what was not long a ago the last and ultimate fad like
NLP.
My
own forecast for this work:
- It will give rise to many new approaches using many recovered organs,
visions, and insiparations, from it's brilliant creator. Some may maintain
the word Constellation somewhere in it's new name.
- A small and almost unheard group will keep the standards and the old
flavor.
- In 5 years if we are still alive, it will be one of the many, many
alternative therapies that have came and gone.
- The biggest movement of a particular approach that will still endure
maybe for 100 more yrs. will be... yes our old Dr. Freud and his prodigal
son Lacan and their dusty and old Torah: Psychoanalysis.
The
state of the work today?
I think it has already died. What do I, naughty boy, mean with that?
Well just that. Maybe exactly what Nietzsche meant when he said God
died. But as the title of a Hellinger's book(in Portuguese) says...
something like "Only When The Fruit Dies, The Seed Sprouts"
Cheers
Daniel.
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